much about a fiscal cliff, per se. we should be talking about a bunny slope. describe what you think should happen. >> the fiscal cliff means we're taking $700 billion out of the economy because of the tax increases and spending cuts. if that happens our economy will hit rock bottom. we'll have zero growth over 2013. we will have, by the end of 2014, double digit unemployment. millions of americans will lose employment. so what you want to do is change the scale of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the slope and pick up speed so when you do come to the grand bargain that has $3 trillion of debt reduction. all they've got to do is shoulder 1 billion, changing the scale and put the rest of that in the following nine years and that's something that they'll come up with. >> where do they find it? there are various pl